War on Drugs: Officially a Failure.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by The Chi

I couldnt resist.

That was fascinating, thank you! (No sarcasm intended.)

You very much have a good argument for your "side" and honestly, after reading all that I see very much where you are coming from, and agree.

I dont have blinders on when it comes to the crap our govt pulls, but reading about the efforts they made to make it illegal to save their profits and "big money"'s profits really hits home, especially on the nature loving side of me.

Absolutely fascinating. Now if only the other proponents of legalization were as avid and educated on the matter as you are, perhaps there would be a substantial and rewarding effort for legalization attempts.

Thank you for that, it will make my day. I am a supporting member of NORML and I do my part to spread the word. Unfortunately, and for good reason, many like minded individuals are just too scared to help spread the word due to fear of imprisonment, rape, torture...or just plain ol' losing their jobs and livelihood.

This is a fascinating subject and is about so much more than Marijuana. It is a classic story of corruption, control, power and money...all used in the evil sense. I highly recommend Woody's movie "Grass" as a very well put together and educational documentary on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvUgJEhQ5cY

[goof2]

Originally Posted by The Chi

I am not that interested. I was hoping you'd give us the short version since you are apparently so well versed on the matter.

You want to argue about vewipoints but not the actaul discussion material...

I have never researched the basis for it, but working from memory the "legalize it" crowd states it was over the economics of making newspapers. William Hurst owned a lot of timber land and wanted to sell the wood to make paper. Paper could be made much cheaper using hemp making Hurst's timber worth less. He had his newspaper empire run propaganda all over the place about how terrible and evil marijuana was to get the public support for banning it and with some help from his buddies in the government he was able to make it illegal. This had the intended side effect of making the hemp plant illegal thus getting rid of the more competitive raw material for making paper.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

I have never researched the basis for it, but working from memory the "legalize it" crowd states it was over the economics of making newspapers. William Hurst owned a lot of timber land and wanted to sell the wood to make paper. Paper could be made much cheaper using hemp making Hurst's timber worth less. He had his newspaper empire run propaganda all over the place about how terrible and evil marijuana was to get the public support for banning it and with some help from his buddies in the government he was able to make it illegal. This had the intended side effect of making the hemp plant illegal thus getting rid of the more competitive raw material for making paper.

That's all part of it, but there are many other factors involved. But the Hearst/Paper Mil VS. Hemp paper is what got Hearst involved in spreading the propaganda.

The story is so crazy that it really is hard to believe, yet it is all documented in history.

[Kaneman]

And Chi, while I completely understand and respect why you or anyone would not want to use substances that chemically alter their mind, this still affects everyone who is an American citizen because of what the prohibition does to us as a country and how it contributes to a Police State mentality with trampled civil liberties that is all funded by tax dollars.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

And Chi, while I completely understand and respect why you or anyone would not want to use substances that chemically alter their mind, this still affects everyone who is an American citizen because of what the prohibition does to us as a country and how it contributes to a Police State mentality with trampled civil liberties that is all funded by tax dollars.

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[dubbs]

I didn't know about Marc Emery.. that's so fucked up.. How the hell will that hold up in court? Isn't Canada supposed to be the one charging him?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by dubbs

I didn't know about Marc Emery.. that's so fucked up.. How the hell will that hold up in court? Isn't Canada supposed to be the one charging him?

No, Canada has buckled under IMMENSE U.S. pressure to send him here to serve a 5 year sentence in an American prison for what amounts to a one MONTH sentence under Canadian law.

Now he gets to look forward to being repeatedly raped and tortured for 5 years....for selling seeds.

Originally Posted by The Chi

Those are excellent things to consider. Thank you for the brain food.

Does a weed seller often sell things other than weed?

Not in my experience. In fact, over the course of 10 years of Marijuana use I have NEVER even seen Cocaine, Methamphetamine or Heroin. I know people who have used and use them (just Coke actually), but I have never once seen any of those substances.

[the chi]

I havent read the case file, but it will probably hold up the same way the case against those Seals was(cuz the murdering terrorist got a fat lip). Ridiculously and erroneously.

[the chi]

It also explains why nature loving pot smoking hippies are so for it too.

[the chi]

Is that sarcasm?

I am just in awe of the whole thing right now, definitely fires me up to look into it more...

Tell me how spreading the word and educating folks could get people imprisoned and what not. Im genuinely curious. So long as they follow the laws on protesting and whatnot they should be safe right? (And yes, on this I am that naive.)