If you have not crashed: What does it mean??? - Page 7

tached1000rr · 05-30-2009, 12:43 AM

Here's one to ponder: Does a rider's skill eventually get them into trouble?? I'm thinking about Trip's when to slow down thread. He feels he's at the point where he can not safely go any faster w/o harm/ serious risk. He's smart enough or mature enough to see this. BUT many out there, keep pushing and pushing the envelope until they are in the high percentile risk of crashing.

The Awesome for example only knows one way to ride, has TONS of skill, but has also decided he can no longer accept the risk of riding. Once you have reached that potential or that your skills are on par with the bike, it's only a matter of time, given the slight margin for error is even less.

101lifts2 · 05-30-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Nah he rode all the time... he basically got me into riding. My Dad was 41 when I was born so he was done with bikes by the time I got one. Anyway, I know that this isn't a "winnable" argument because no matter how many examples, charts or criteria I come up with to prove my point. You all will just blow it off somehow, like with this "low mileage doesn't count" horseshit. It doesn't matter, but I still maintain that it's ridiculous to believe that EVERYONE in the world that rides a motorcycle of any type will eventually crash.

To me this is just a lame excuse to justify "your" stupidity or lack of skills. That includes me btw. My first crash was when I hit a deer with my '97 YZF1000. A lot of people would excuse me for that incident but the fact is that I should have been going slower and paying more attention in that area, during that time of day. If I had, it wouldn't have happened. If I had been on a 250 Exciter, it wouldn't have happened. If I had been smart enough to stay out of the country during dusk, it wouldn't have happened. Etc.

I like the way u think. Personal responsiblity is hard to find these days...

There are alot of factors in riding, but even a "good" rider cannot control mechanical, other vehicle or weather factors. Its a chance game to say the least.

Amber Lamps · 05-30-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I like the way u think. Personal responsiblity is hard to find these days...

There are alot of factors in riding, but even a "good" rider cannot control mechanical, other vehicle or weather factors. Its a chance game to say the least.

Oh sure, I understand that but "if" you go out when there are negative factors...

NONE_too_SOFT · 05-30-2009, 07:31 AM

I havent been down yet. this year. But i cant stand the "two types of riders" montra. The young and stupid are the biggest risk takers, so it may be true with them, but im sure that many seasoned riders or those not willing to go over the speed limit have never and will never crash.

Tmall · 05-30-2009, 08:51 AM

So, out of all this discussion, we know of 2-3 people out of hundreds OR thousands of riders who haven't been down.

Mr Lefty · 05-30-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

I havent been down yet. this year. But i cant stand the "two types of riders" montra. The young and stupid are the biggest risk takers, so it may be true with them, but im sure that many seasoned riders or those not willing to go over the speed limit have never and will never crash.

you forget the things out of their control... people pulling out on them... a blow out... a animal running out... all of those can catch ANY OF US no matter how seasoned or experienced...

Smittie61984 · 05-30-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

I havent been down yet. this year. But i cant stand the "two types of riders" montra. The young and stupid are the biggest risk takers, so it may be true with them, but im sure that many seasoned riders or those not willing to go over the speed limit have never and will never crash.

I'll have to dig up the statistics but the Georgia DOT did some study from 2005 about motorcycle crashes. Or more specifically fatal crashes. the highest fatality rate was the 30-40 range. Of course the 20-30 was the 2nd highest.

Amber Lamps · 05-30-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eBBs15

you forget the things out of their control... people pulling out on them... a blow out... a animal running out... all of those can catch ANY OF US no matter how seasoned or experienced...

True but those types of accidents aren't "motorcycle specific" and you may as well say that all operators MOTOR VEHICLES will eventually crash... If you operate your motorcycle the same way that you drive your car I truly believe that you are less likely to crash your bike because of it's greater avoidance and braking capabilities.

I guess that's just me....

tommymac · 05-30-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I'll have to dig up the statistics but the Georgia DOT did some study from 2005 about motorcycle crashes. Or more specifically fatal crashes. the highest fatality rate was the 30-40 range. Of course the 20-30 was the 2nd highest.

Does GA have a helmet law? thats another factor to consider in states with no helmet laws. I also believe there are studies that show higher fatality rates where helmets are optional.

Tom

LeeNetworX · 05-30-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac

Does GA have a helmet law? thats another factor to consider in states with no helmet laws. I also believe there are studies that show higher fatality rates where helmets are optional.

Tom

Yep - we have a helmet law.

05-30-2009, 12:43 AM	#61
tached1000rr WERA White Plate Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NC Moto: 2009 GSXR 1300 Posts: 2,448	Here's one to ponder: Does a rider's skill eventually get them into trouble?? I'm thinking about Trip's when to slow down thread. He feels he's at the point where he can not safely go any faster w/o harm/ serious risk. He's smart enough or mature enough to see this. BUT many out there, keep pushing and pushing the envelope until they are in the high percentile risk of crashing. The Awesome for example only knows one way to ride, has TONS of skill, but has also decided he can no longer accept the risk of riding. Once you have reached that potential or that your skills are on par with the bike, it's only a matter of time, given the slight margin for error is even less.

05-30-2009, 07:31 AM	#64
NONE_too_SOFT Chopstix / \ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Akron OH Moto: 03 CBR RR Posts: 5,350	I havent been down yet. this year. But i cant stand the "two types of riders" montra. The young and stupid are the biggest risk takers, so it may be true with them, but im sure that many seasoned riders or those not willing to go over the speed limit have never and will never crash.

05-30-2009, 08:51 AM	#65
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	So, out of all this discussion, we know of 2-3 people out of hundreds OR thousands of riders who haven't been down.