Solar, electric cars, batteries, and making money without trying.

Avatard · 07-19-2010, 06:11 PM

I've been thinking (always dangerous).

I've been considering solar, and a battery array. My house is literally all electric, and if I added enough panels, I might even end up with the electric company "paying my rent", if I can get the fucking meter spinning backwards fast enough.

I'm watching TV the other day, and they were talking about how today's modern electric/hybrid battery cars, with their huge storage capacities, and computer-run charging schemes, could not only be programmed to be charged at night, when current is cheaper...but that this battery array alternately could then be used to even power your house during the daylight hours, when current can actually cost double (depending on where you live).

So my thoughts went back simply to the storage battery array part of a typical solar home installation, and I thought; hmmmm:

What if you said fuck the car, fuck the solar panels, but just hook up a shitload of batteries? ...And then charge them at night when the rates are low, and sell that shit right back to the grid during peak hours...and fucking MAKE MONEY for doing absolutely SHIT (my single favorite concept of all time)?

Why not just "bank" current?

OneSickPsycho · 07-19-2010, 06:22 PM

I'm guessing that with the cost of batteries and depending on your usage, you probably won't make shit.

Papa_Complex · 07-19-2010, 06:29 PM

Find and watch the video "Holmes on Homes - Lien on Me." You'll like what they did. A family's home was renovated by a "friend of the family" who did such a great job, that later inspection showed that it should probably be condemned. Holmes tore it down and built a new house using solar electric panels and solar water heating, an elevator (for when your joints are acting up), and tapped the whole thing into a huge UPS in the basement.

derf · 07-19-2010, 07:07 PM

By the time you get all the equipment bought it would cost thousands, and good luck making that back a few cents a night

tommymac · 07-19-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by derf

By the time you get all the equipment bought it would cost thousands, and good luck making that back a few cents a night

and thats comming from a jew

Avatard · 07-19-2010, 07:19 PM

Double. As in 100% return.

Use refurbished lead acid car batts, and the cost is quite low.

Since when is 100% a bad return?

You guys are gonna hafta do better than that to talk me outta this idea.

Which one of you slide-rule motherfuckers can shoot me down better than that?

nhgunnut · 07-19-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

Double. As in 100% return.

Use refurbished lead acid car batts, and the cost is quite low.

Since when is 100% a bad return?

You guys are gonna hafta do better than that to talk me outta this idea.

Which one of you slide-rule motherfuckers can shoot me down better than that?

The lead acid car batteries are not ideal but here in New England there are several companies that would be happy to help you design a system. Solar systems tend to be to inconsistent and require a back up of some kind. A few of more "Self Reliant" off the Grid associates have systems , they also use wind and back up generators (one is a rather nice Diesel system and he process restaurant fryer oils into bio diesel) I looked into a system 100% is possible over about 15 years. If you don't count maintenance or have any critical failures. Let us know how it goes , I would love to see pictures

defector · 07-19-2010, 07:39 PM

So you would power your entire house from a bank of automotive type (DC) batteries?

What amount of amperage does your house use daily, and what kind of power loss will you experience using an inverter to convert it from DC to AC? I would think knowing this would give you an idea of how big a battery bank you would need.
I just picture a basement full of lead acid batteries, venting gas during the normal discharge / charge cycle.

Papa_Complex · 07-19-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by defector

So you would power your entire house from a bank of automotive type (DC) batteries?

What amount of amperage does your house use daily, and what kind of power loss will you experience using an inverter to convert it from DC to AC? I would think knowing this would give you an idea of how big a battery bank you would need.
I just picture a basement full of lead acid batteries, venting gas during the normal discharge / charge cycle.

For lighting there would be no need of a power inverter. LED lights are very efficient and now available with sufficient brightness. There are also a wide range of appliances available to run on 12VDC, for use in campers and on boats.

Trip · 07-19-2010, 08:48 PM

As long as you can perform the maintenance yourself and are equipped to handle a battery mishap, go for it. A battery bank can present a very real danger though. Make sure you have it secure from idiots/vandals and have an adequate location to contain a spill.

No way in hell I would try it with car batteries though.

Solar is still pretty costly for an average user, if you do it right and get the right tax credits and other benefits, you can make it pay off in a decade or two.

07-19-2010, 06:11 PM	#1
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	Solar, electric cars, batteries, and making money without trying. I've been thinking (always dangerous). I've been considering solar, and a battery array. My house is literally all electric, and if I added enough panels, I might even end up with the electric company "paying my rent", if I can get the fucking meter spinning backwards fast enough. I'm watching TV the other day, and they were talking about how today's modern electric/hybrid battery cars, with their huge storage capacities, and computer-run charging schemes, could not only be programmed to be charged at night, when current is cheaper...but that this battery array alternately could then be used to even power your house during the daylight hours, when current can actually cost double (depending on where you live). So my thoughts went back simply to the storage battery array part of a typical solar home installation, and I thought; hmmmm: What if you said fuck the car, fuck the solar panels, but just hook up a shitload of batteries? ...And then charge them at night when the rates are low, and sell that shit right back to the grid during peak hours...and fucking MAKE MONEY for doing absolutely SHIT (my single favorite concept of all time)? Why not just "bank" current? __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 07-19-2010 at 06:50 PM..

07-19-2010, 06:29 PM	#3
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Find and watch the video "Holmes on Homes - Lien on Me." You'll like what they did. A family's home was renovated by a "friend of the family" who did such a great job, that later inspection showed that it should probably be condemned. Holmes tore it down and built a new house using solar electric panels and solar water heating, an elevator (for when your joints are acting up), and tapped the whole thing into a huge UPS in the basement. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

07-19-2010, 07:19 PM	#6
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	Double. As in 100% return. Use refurbished lead acid car batts, and the cost is quite low. Since when is 100% a bad return? You guys are gonna hafta do better than that to talk me outta this idea. Which one of you slide-rule motherfuckers can shoot me down better than that? __________________ Insert free thought here.

07-19-2010, 07:39 PM	#8
defector My balls, your chin Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The desert of Az Moto: 929, SV650, YZ250 Posts: 1,917	So you would power your entire house from a bank of automotive type (DC) batteries? What amount of amperage does your house use daily, and what kind of power loss will you experience using an inverter to convert it from DC to AC? I would think knowing this would give you an idea of how big a battery bank you would need. I just picture a basement full of lead acid batteries, venting gas during the normal discharge / charge cycle. __________________ Reading this signature may give you special powers, including the ability to run through walls. You should try it immediately.

07-19-2010, 06:22 PM	#2
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	I'm guessing that with the cost of batteries and depending on your usage, you probably won't make shit.

07-19-2010, 07:07 PM	#4
derf token jewboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man Posts: 10,799	By the time you get all the equipment bought it would cost thousands, and good luck making that back a few cents a night