"stand your ground" doesn't work

[RACER X]

Coleman points to a recent study by Texas A&M University which concludes that in the 24 states with self-protection laws, including Texas, homicide rates have increased 8 percent on average.

That research by the University's Department of Economic is also concluded "stand your ground" type laws have had no deterrent effect on burglary, robbery and aggravated assault.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/La...p/-/index.html


actual research paper:

http://www.click2houston.com/blob/vi...ctrine-pdf.pdf

[jtemple]

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by jtemple

Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

WERD!!!

However I did get a good dose of non-bias media when it came to US news and happenings from the BBC when I was over in the UK.

That was refreshing.

No Spins, no dick sucking a party or political figure, just straight poop.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by jtemple

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

Exactly, you can bend data to make it say anything you want it to say, certianly the data was biased by the writer based on his/her agenda.

Kind of like that famous brady campaign statistic about how guns in homes were several times more likely to be used on a family member than on a burgler... but the statistic included suicides... LOL

[Smittie61984]

I'd be more interested in seeing data on how much government has grown ever since owning a firearm became regulated by the government.

As for the affectiveness of "stand your ground". Illinois bans any form of carrying and is the only state to do so. To transport your gun it must be locked up in a gun case and not easily accessed. Chicago bans pistols all together and more people are killed in Chicago than US troops in Afganistan.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1602692.html

I can already see soldiers dreading the day they are stationed in Chicago.

[nhgunnut]

Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

[Captain Morgan]

I did a research paper in college about the death penalty that basically found the same thing. Pickpockets would be sentenced to death by hanging. However, at the hanging of said pickpocket, all of his buddies would be in the crowd picking pockets.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question

"Death Therapy, Bob. It's a guaranteed cure. "

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question

Exactly. Same argument as the death penalty, for me. I don't give one solid crap about mass deterrence. I want the individual committing the crime, or who has committed the crime, to be stopped.

And I don't want to face a jury's decision for defending my family. Juries are stupid. They are my peers, after all...



ETA: I mean, well, pretty much what nhgunnut said...

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by jtemple

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

Exactly. The study is scewed to support the author's premise.

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

Great Post!! AMEN!! Law on my side or not, I will stand my ground. It's that simple. This land was built on such prinicpals.