less respect now days for po po? - Page 3

CrazyKell · 12-15-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neebelung

So true. And so sad, on all counts.

Eh, I can't agree with this part....

I don't enjoy a traffic ticket anymore than anyone else, BUT, I also don't fault the Cops in the least when I get them. Fact is, the law is the law - the speed limit is the speed limit, the red light is the red light, etc...

We all know full well when we're breaking traffic laws, but because we get away with it 99.99999999999999% of the time, we continue to do it, daily.

But then the one time we get pulled over for it, it's somehow the Cop's fault, for being stupid, or a jerk, or whatever? Nuh uh.... I take full responsibility for the tickets I've earned.

I agree there are bigger fish to fry, so to speak, but the fact remains, we make the CHOICE to do that 55 in a 45, etc.... and once in a while, we might get caught.

Sorry but I don't agree with this "the law is the law" outlook. I used to think that way. But through research I've discovered policies about speeding and traffic flows. Speeding tickets are nothing more than a cash cow for the police that they must use to fund their department. They have to. The part that I get upset with is that it's under the guise of public safety. If tickets were handed out for actual unsafe procedures (following too closely, improper lane changes, etc.) I'd be much more lenient with this attitude.

Roads here are supposed to be re-evaluated every 5 years for speed and flow of traffic. Speeding at 5 over isn't going to kill anyone so don't tell me it's for public safety. It's to fund things. And if it were only about public safety there would be cops sitting right at the speed change line nailing people going 2 over when they cross that line.

Sorry....went off on a tangent there.

neebelung · 12-15-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wildchild

i'll agree they are not trustworthy but does that mean it's ok to shoot or kill them?

Sheeeeeeyat, if I got to shoot everyone I didn't trust, ... well... there'd be a lotta bodies in my wake.

CrazyKell · 12-15-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wildchild

i'll agree they are not trustworthy but does that mean it's ok to shoot or kill them?

Is that what I said?

neebelung · 12-15-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Sorry but I don't agree with this "the law is the law" outlook. I used to think that way. But through research I've discovered policies about speeding and traffic flows. Speeding tickets are nothing more than a cash cow for the police that they must use to fund their department. They have to. The part that I get upset with is that it's under the guise of public safety. If tickets were handed out for actual unsafe procedures (following too closely, improper lane changes, etc.) I'd be much more lenient with this attitude.

Roads here are supposed to be re-evaluated every 5 years for speed and flow of traffic. Speeding at 5 over isn't going to kill anyone so don't tell me it's for public safety. It's to fund things. And if it were only about public safety there would be cops sitting right at the speed change line nailing people going 2 over when they cross that line.

Sorry....went off on a tangent there.

You don't have to apologize for having an opinion.

And I still hold my stance on this.

I'm not arguing whether or not the laws SHOULD be what they are, it's that they ARE what they are, and we either choose to abide by them, or we don't. If we KNOW that the speed limit on a road is 45, and we choose to do 55 (God knows I do!), and then get a ticket? Well, we've gotta take our lumps.

To argue that we shouldn't get a ticket because we don't feel the law should be what it is is a totally different debate. And a moot one, since Traffic Cops don't WRITE the laws in the first place, they merely enforce them. So to hate COPS for the fact that there are stupid laws in place is kinda like shooting the messenger.

Kaneman · 12-15-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Sorry but I don't agree with this "the law is the law" outlook. I used to think that way. But through research I've discovered policies about speeding and traffic flows. Speeding tickets are nothing more than a cash cow for the police that they must use to fund their department. They have to. The part that I get upset with is that it's under the guise of public safety. If tickets were handed out for actual unsafe procedures (following too closely, improper lane changes, etc.) I'd be much more lenient with this attitude.

Roads here are supposed to be re-evaluated every 5 years for speed and flow of traffic. Speeding at 5 over isn't going to kill anyone so don't tell me it's for public safety. It's to fund things. And if it were only about public safety there would be cops sitting right at the speed change line nailing people going 2 over when they cross that line.

Sorry....went off on a tangent there.

Well said and I agree 100%

RACER X · 12-15-2009, 05:15 PM

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CrazyKell · 12-15-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by neebelung

You don't have to apologize for having an opinion.

And I still hold my stance on this.

I'm not arguing whether or not the laws SHOULD be what they are, it's that they ARE what they are, and we either choose to abide by them, or we don't. If we KNOW that the speed limit on a road is 45, and we choose to do 55 (God knows I do!), and then get a ticket? Well, we've gotta take our lumps.

To argue that we shouldn't get a ticket because we don't feel the law should be what it is is a totally different debate. And a moot one, since Traffic Cops don't WRITE the laws in the first place, they merely enforce them. So to hate COPS for the fact that there are stupid laws in place is kinda like shooting the messenger.

Oh ya totally agree with you on that one. I think I just went into a blind "speeding tickets for safety" rage and couldn't see the forest for the trees.

I'm with you on that. If you did it just suck it up and take the ticket. I never argue, am never rude, and am always polite. It's not their fault.

Kaneman · 12-15-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I'm with you on that. If you did it just suck it up and take the ticket. I never argue, am never rude, and am always polite. It's not their fault.

So am I, but I still hate their guts and what the represent. Personal responsibility extends to those doing something wrong because "its their job."

RACER X · 12-15-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

So am I, but I still hate their guts and what the represent. Personal responsibility extends to those doing something wrong because "its their job."

is the cop more wrong for writing a ticket on a "bad law", or are you more wrong for breaking a law or a process that the public (maybe not you) has deemed acceptable?

CrazyKell · 12-15-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

So am I, but I still hate their guts and what the represent. Personal responsibility extends to those doing something wrong because "its their job."

True true.

Has hell frozen over or are we actually on the same page with something here?

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