Queue the anti-gun nuts...

[fujimoh]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Do you carry? I'm guessing not. I don't think I know anyone who carries that doesn't have a round chambered.

Yes, I have a permit and I carry concealed. I carry a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber, because I don't want an accidental discharge.

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

Yes, I have a permit and I carry concealed. I carry a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber, because I don't want an accidental discharge.

little bit different there. the revolver if double action can be carried unchambered. when you pull the trigger it goes bang as the cylinder then rotates to a live round.

with a semi auto, if you don't have a round chambered you would have to rack the slide in order to use the gun. if you had time, you would still need the forsight to do that.
I don't know anyone who carries an auto unchambered. if it's a 1911 they have the safety engaged if it's a glock style or springfield, well they have internal safetys. it would be hard to get a gun to go off like that without messing with it. back strap, trigger and other safetys make it very difficult to fire unless you're holding it and pulling the trigger.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by wildchild

little bit different there. the revolver if double action can be carried unchambered. when you pull the trigger it goes bang as the cylinder then rotates to a live round.

with a semi auto, if you don't have a round chambered you would have to rack the slide in order to use the gun. if you had time, you would still need the forsight to do that.
I don't know anyone who carries an auto unchambered. if it's a 1911 they have the safety engaged if it's a glock style or springfield, well they have internal safetys. it would be hard to get a gun to go off like that without messing with it. back strap, trigger and other safetys make it very difficult to fire unless you're holding it and pulling the trigger.

This...

You wouldn't have an accidental discharge unless something strikes the round. In the closed cylinder of a revolver that could only be the hammer and in order for that to happen the hammer would have to be cocked back thus advancing the cylinder to a live round so I really dont see what good having an empty chamber under the hammer is, just means one less shot...

An unchambered pistol is about as useless as tits on a Boar hog, unless you just need a club... IMO

[Corey]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

Yes, I have a permit and I carry concealed. I carry a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber, because I don't want an accidental discharge.

On a revolver, that empty cylinder puts you at a disadvantage. You put yourself at a disadvantage both in terms of how many rounds are available and how many steps you then have to take to get your gun into a ready to fire situation. An accidental discharge on a revolver is difficult to do. The double action pull is somewhere around 11 pounds. Unless you're carrying it in a shit holster or no holster at all, it would be monumentally difficult to get the gun to discharge without you having a finger on the trigger.

I'm not knocking pocket carry, but if this idiot did indeed have the gun in his pocket and it discharged, it sounds like he was fucking with it, or it wasn't in a holster and something in his pocket snagged the trigger. He's a fucking dolt. Even in a pocket, your gun should be holstered, if for no other reason than to protect the trigger.

[fujimoh]

Originally Posted by Corey

On a revolver, that empty cylinder puts you at a disadvantage. You put yourself at a disadvantage both in terms of how many rounds are available and how many steps you then have to take to get your gun into a ready to fire situation. An accidental discharge on a revolver is difficult to do. The double action pull is somewhere around 11 pounds. Unless you're carrying it in a shit holster or no holster at all, it would be monumentally difficult to get the gun to discharge without you having a finger on the trigger.

I'm not knocking pocket carry, but if this idiot did indeed have the gun in his pocket and it discharged, it sounds like he was fucking with it, or it wasn't in a holster and something in his pocket snagged the trigger. He's a fucking dolt. Even in a pocket, your gun should be holstered, if for no other reason than to protect the trigger.

I am seeing a disturbing pattern here. First, carrying a weapon with a round chambered, unless you are heading into imminent danger violates all the rules of firearm training for concealed carry. We are not talking military or LEO here. We are talking firearm safety classes and the "carry" classes necessary to obtain the permit. (in Florida) That rule is right there with never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.

The second point is a revolver is one step quicker from concealment to fire than the pistol. It is pull, point and pull the trigger. There is no safety to check or release.

The third point is that if I need more than 5 shots to get myself clear of the situation, I am in combat, and not self defense.

The whole purpose of self defense is not to be involved in some Steven Segal movie where you are standing in the middle of a restaurant firing 17 shots, reload, fire 17 more and keep going until everyone is dead. The purpose is to defend yourself from attack while getting yourself and your family out of the situation.

If someone can find a news account where someone fired more than 5 or 6 shots in self defense to defuse the situation, post it up. I follow these stories closely and most self defense situations I study show that an attacker is fought off or scared off with 1, 2 or maybe 3 shots

[jtemple]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

Why would someone carry a weapon with a round in the chamber? I hope he gets charged with discharging the round and they take his permit away

Because the time it would take you to chamber a round might cost you your life.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

Why would someone carry a weapon with a round in the chamber? I hope he gets charged with discharging the round and they take his permit away

Umm...i carry w a round chambered as well

That's pretty normal actually

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

Why would someone carry a weapon with a round in the chamber? I hope he gets charged with discharging the round and they take his permit away

Because an unloaded gun makes a piss poor club! Idiots are idiots ,, Idiots with cars kill far more people than idiots with guns. The guy appears to have been an idiot, take away his permit. He is subject to civil law in any event.
Perhaps more importantly than looking here in the US Look at the Swiss where everyone of military age has a fully automatic rifle and ammunition. (By Law) One of the lowest crim rates anywhere in the world

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,286382.story

Clearly he was a member of a well regulated Militia....I mean....a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, after all. Most well regulated Militias train over dinner in family restaurants....of course he'd be packing while there.

Whatevah

Just more wanna be Rambo douche baggery. I guess we should all thankful that his "rights" only hurt little kids and old people out to eat instead of killing them.

[jtemple]

A Glock has 3 internal, automatic safeties and no manual safety switch like a conventional gun.

Drop Safety, Firing Pin Safety, Trigger Safety.

All three are disabled automatically by pressing the trigger. It is a very safe design. The only way a Glock is going to shoot is if you pull the trigger.

If he really was carrying a Glock, my guess is that it was in a shitty holster, or no holster at all. He fidgeted with it, and something pulled the trigger. They don't "just go off".