Trail braking?

[MissHell]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

Yes. I can definitely do that. Fly me out and I'll be there directly.

I'll get right on that.

I do ask people I trust and believe can provide good feedback to critique me. I know I have LOTS more to learn. Wish we still had a track here. Last time Evad (tdah) was here and we went riding, I asked for feedback, which he kindly provided.

[racedoll]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Well I'm no "The Awesome" but imho you are on the right track and the only thing that is going to "fix" your problem is practice. Good luck and be careful, Rome wasn't built in a day!!!

I know what I'm supposed to be doing and know kind of how to do things, it's just a matter of actually DOING IT.

Yup, been practicing for too damn long though. I need to just start doing some stuff, but I can't get too impatient. I feel like I improved last year so that is all I can hope for again this year.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by racedoll

That is exactly how I feel! I hardly use it because I don't feel like it does anything, but I do on the street every once in a while just to train my brain.

I used it at the rally pulling into gravel. Apparently I locked up the rear when I stopped. I didn't realize it til Shane said dude, you totally locked it up and then mjmff2?? came sliding past on the ground.

[racedoll]

Originally Posted by Trip

I used it at the rally pulling into gravel. Apparently I locked up the rear when I stopped. I didn't realize it til Shane said dude, you totally locked it up and then mjmff2?? came sliding past on the ground.

I know it does something, but it just doesn't feel like it.

[tached1000rr]

Originally Posted by Trip

I used it at the rally pulling into gravel. Apparently I locked up the rear when I stopped. I didn't realize it til Shane said dude, you totally locked it up and then mjmff2?? came sliding past on the ground.

I only use my rear for stopping on gravel at low speeds, and low speed parking lot turns.

[ericr]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Trip you saw that first hand at Suches. That was a controlled front and rear brake application for stopping when I passed the place.

Yeah, Rae, but if you'd use more front brake, you would have pulled off a rightous stoppie instead of smoking the back tire when you slid into the lodge


The smoky slide was pretty cool though

[No Worries]

As a scientist, why would I want to put braking and steering forces on only one tire by using only the front brake? I can split these two forces to two tires by using both brakes.

I hardly ever use trail braking going up a mountain. But coming downhill, I use it on almost every tight corner. I brake with both brakes before the turn, keeping them on into the apex of the turn, and accelerating out smartly. Smooth, quick, and safe.

Do you know what a switchback is? Some call it a hairpin turn. You turn 180 degrees, just like a U-turn. Lookout Mountain has at least six switchbacks. You have to brake from 50 to 15mph. And most of them are blind. You don't jam on the brakes like a racer. You squeeze both brakes smoothly before and half-way through the turn.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Trip

I used it at the rally pulling into gravel. Apparently I locked up the rear when I stopped. I didn't realize it til Shane said dude, you totally locked it up and then mjmff2?? came sliding past on the ground.

Ha me too!I pulled in looking at him and the front slipped so I used the rear without thinking about it. It's easier for me because back when I was taught to ride, you were taught to use both brakes and sport bikes didn't exist yet. Hell, back then I knew guys that never used the front brakes and preached against them. Some chops and modded bikes didn't even have front brakes!

[The Awesome]

Originally Posted by No Worries

As a scientist, why would I want to put braking and steering forces on only one tire by using only the front brake? I can split these two forces to two tires by using both brakes.

That depends on the bike you ride. If you ride that thing in your avatar, you are probably better off using both brakes. If you ride a modern sportbike, you will find that proper application of the front brake will unweight the rear wheel to the point that it offers no straight line stopping power. I ride my dad's R1100R BMW from time to time, and no matter what I do I can't make it even begin to lift the rear wheel. The way the front suspension is designed combined with the geometry of the bike make it impossible to lift the rear, as it will lock up the front instead when you reach the threshold of the tire. In cases like this, both brakes must be used for maximum stopping potential.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

That depends on the bike you ride. If you ride that thing in your avatar, you are probably better off using both brakes. If you ride a modern sportbike, you will find that proper application of the front brake will unweight the rear wheel to the point that it offers no straight line stopping power. I ride my dad's R1100R BMW from time to time, and no matter what I do I can't make it even begin to lift the rear wheel. The way the front suspension is designed combined with the geometry of the bike make it impossible to lift the rear, as it will lock up the front instead when you reach the threshold of the tire. In cases like this, both brakes must be used for maximum stopping potential.

Mr Awesome , sir, we were taught to apply the rear brake first and then the front to avoid that problem anyway... I think. Try it and tell me if I'm right that the forward shift isn't as drastic. BTW I'm sure that you are right.