For Homeslice: Mac people and PC people

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Second, with regards to laptops - Seems like most others are thick & heavy, or look like a 1980's Cylon fighter. And what about customer service and accessories?

Dell

Panasonic

Toshiba

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[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Fonts.

Most people don't realize it's the single largest boot load, time-wise.

The primary reason for why systems take long to boot is from loading too many fonts.

People who have never loaded a graphics program have much slimmer systems. These programs tend to load over 100 fonts.

True, to a point. I usually deselect the additional fonts. There are still a lot of other things that take time to load though. First thing, that comes to mind, is all of the background shit that's loaded by any HP product.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Dell

Panasonic

Toshiba

....

Toshiba, maybe......Dell, old-school but ok I guess

But Toughbooks? Really?

[Avatard]

Oh Jesus. I would never run an HP computer without reformatting it first.

The amount of fucking useless shit they glop onto a fucking computer makes them fucking worthless otherwise.

Yet another reason I'd never buy another fucking computer from them.

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

So a law student who's already racking up 60-100K in debt is going to decide to buy Apple just because of its image. Maybe for some, but I doubt that is the biggest reason.

First, law students aren't like most of you guys. Most of them don't dick around with computers. They're not self-taught handymen. They don't know how to install cards or upgrade anything. They don't re-root their Android phone. Not would it be a good use of their time. They just want stuff that works.

Second, we are talking about laptops here, not desktops. What other company makes a decent laptop that isn't thick & heavy, or look like a 1980's Cylon fighter? What other company has good customer service?

Those law students are in their early 20's. A lot of them are not racking up 60-100k in debt. They are racking up the debt for their parents or just plain spending their parents money.

Some get more allowance then I earn in a month.

Even if they are not handy they do mess with the OS on their phones or know someone that will for them if they want.

I want a new desktop and another laptop or two. Right now the two brands I would look at are HP and Toshiba. If there were no PC's made at the time I would first see if I can get by with what I have for a bit longer.

James

[Homeslice]

HP doesn't make anything lightweight to my knowledge.

And I guess I'm thinking of law students who have been in the workforce for a few years already. That's the better way to do it anyway. I'll bet those who go straight into it after undergrad account for less than half of law students nowdays.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Oh Jesus. I would never run an HP computer without reformatting it first.

The amount of fucking useless shit they glop onto a fucking computer makes them fucking worthless otherwise.

Yet another reason I'd never buy another fucking computer from them.

I'm not even talking about a HP computer. Install a printer and suddenly you've got 3 background processes, that start with hp. Install a scanner and there's two more. I can't properly voice how frikkin' annoyed I get, whenever I work on a PC used by a fan of HP peripherals.

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Toshiba, maybe......Dell, old-school but ok I guess

But Toughbooks? Really?

Dell has some beautiful little notebooks. I own a XPS 1330. A friend has a Latitude X1 and it's a beautiful, little business grade notebook.

Panasonic has some great tiny, but full featured notebooks. I tend to prefer Dell, but I've worked with a couple of these: https://panasonic.ca/english/Office/notebook/CFS9.asp

[Flexin]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

HP doesn't make anything lightweight to my knowledge.

And I guess I'm thinking of law students who have been in the workforce for a few years already. That's the better way to do it anyway. I'll bet those who go straight into it after undergrad account for less than half of law students nowdays.

For me lightweight isn't something I look at. My HP has the larger battery in it that forms a hump on the bottom. It raises the back of the laptop. I actually like that.

I don't want a heavy pig but I don't look at lightweight. You also have to remember I don't take my laptop with me everyday. I did when I first bought my HP but once I closed my business I didn't take it everywhere.

James

[pauldun170]

Law students....
lulz

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I'm not even talking about a HP computer. Install a printer and suddenly you've got 3 background processes, that start with hp. Install a scanner and there's two more. I can't properly voice how frikkin' annoyed I get, whenever I work on a PC used by a fan of HP peripherals.

Oh, geez...Well, I NEVER load anyone's software. EVER.

I'll find a way to hack the drivers in, but I never use the CD that comes with shit. I know better.

The HP shit I use is old school network shit (something that has a network card in it, and just uses a driver). HP is notorious for making junk software that loads a million things, leaks memory, and has huge overhead, with runaway apps often running at 100% CPU load.

Frankly, if I were to purchase an HP product that could not be used with just a driver, I probably wouldn't use it.

As a last resort, I might load their software, and then set about killing the individual processes that load, one by one, in an attempt to minimize the damage to my system.

Yeah, HP isn't real high on my list of nice computer folks. They're a fucking pain in the ass anymore.