Cadillac med plan = more income

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Yeah well, blah blah blah.

Would a Canadian Fire department open your front door if you locked yourself out?

Didn't think so.

America, FUCK YEAH!

JC

We are perfectly capable of kicking in our own doors. You fags.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Apoc

We are perfectly capable of kicking in our own doors. You fags.

You pansies probably give tourists correct directions to landmarks.

JC

[RACER X]

Add a few illegals like the US has and i bet CAnadian medical system would not be as utopian as they dream it is.

As reported by the Health Council of Canada, a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 10% in the U.S. The same survey states that 37% of Canadians say it is difficult to access care after hours (evenings, weekends or holidays) without going to the emergency department over 34% of Americans. Furthermore, 47% of Canadians, and 50% of Americans who visited emergency departments over the past two years feel that they could have been treated at their normal place of care if they were able to get an appointment.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari..._United_States

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by RACER X

Add a few illegals like the US has and i bet CAnadian medical system would not be as utopian as they dream it is.

As reported by the Health Council of Canada, a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 10% in the U.S. The same survey states that 37% of Canadians say it is difficult to access care after hours (evenings, weekends or holidays) without going to the emergency department over 34% of Americans. Furthermore, 47% of Canadians, and 50% of Americans who visited emergency departments over the past two years feel that they could have been treated at their normal place of care if they were able to get an appointment.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari..._United_States

You are using bullshit statistics from Wikipedia.

And those people who had to wait 2 hours in a waiting room, or 4 weeks to see a specialist, its because their conditions were not serious. Your stupid info fails to point out that care of people who are dangerously ill or sick are taken care of immediately. Ya, if you have a sore foot, you might have to wait in a waiting room for a few hours. But if you are severely injured, then you are going straight in to see a doctor. If surgery is required, it is immediate. My father was in surgery for cancer within 2 hours of pissing blood at home. When I had 3rd degree burns, I was with a doctor within 2 minutes of being brought in on a stretcher. Serious injuries or illness is treated immediately. People at the doctor for colds and small aches don't wait long enough,. imo. If they did, it would discourage them from wasting our medical systems time.

And I have never had a problem seeing my family doctor. Call in the morning, and I will have an appointment within hours. The people complaining about wait times are the ones abusing the system, at the doctors office 3x a week for every cough or ache they find themselves with. So ya, all of what you posted was taken completely out of context, and has very little truth to it.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Apoc

You are using bullshit statistics from Wikipedia.

right, cuz your personnal opinion is more accurate and i inputed the info into wiki

lets not forget the personnal service of my fire dept........

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by RACER X

right, cuz your personnal opinion is more accurate and i inputed the info into wiki

lets not forget the personnal service of my fire dept........

It is not my personal opinion, it is reality.

My father, with cancer, was taken care of immediately.

My nephew, with a bad heart problem, has had two open heart surgeries at 2years of age, and the third and last coming after christmas. At one of the best childrens hospitals in the world. His first was done immediately after it came out my sisters stomach, as was planned for months.

It's all free, btw.

Anything that must be done now, is done now. People aren't left to die, as some of you idiots seem to believe. Yes, you aren't going to get a knee scope tomorrow. Not unless you blow your knee out and need it right away. Your surgery for Sleep Apnea might take a couple of months to come. Big fucking deal. You know if you need immediate care, you are getting it.

And I don't know if my fire dept. unlocks doors. I'm not cheap enough to find out.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Apoc

It's all free, btw.

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I guess your version of free is diff. then mine.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Apoc

You are using bullshit statistics from Wikipedia.

And those people who had to wait 2 hours in a waiting room, or 4 weeks to see a specialist, its because their conditions were not serious. Your stupid info fails to point out that care of people who are dangerously ill or sick are taken care of immediately. Ya, if you have a sore foot, you might have to wait in a waiting room for a few hours. But if you are severely injured, then you are going straight in to see a doctor. If surgery is required, it is immediate. My father was in surgery for cancer within 2 hours of pissing blood at home. When I had 3rd degree burns, I was with a doctor within 2 minutes of being brought in on a stretcher. Serious injuries or illness is treated immediately. People at the doctor for colds and small aches don't wait long enough,. imo. If they did, it would discourage them from wasting our medical systems time.

And I have never had a problem seeing my family doctor. Call in the morning, and I will have an appointment within hours. The people complaining about wait times are the ones abusing the system, at the doctors office 3x a week for every cough or ache they find themselves with. So ya, all of what you posted was taken completely out of context, and has very little truth to it.

Actually there's more to it than that. Areas of high population density have longer waits to be seen and, because there is bureaucracy involved, those who are better at navigating such bureaucracy tend to get specialist appointments sooner.

I once arrived at an emergency room in an ambulance, after being hit by a car, and lay on a backboard for 4.5 hours before seeing a doctor. It was 2.5 hours before a nurse bothered to check if I even had a pulse. That was in Brampton.

On the other hand I got taken straight off the ambulance and into a ER, after getting hit by a motorcycle up around Caledon. They took me to the hospital in Orangeville (Debs's stomping grounds). I had X-rays done immediately and was out the door in two hours.

Jeez, I get hit by a lot of other drivers.

The difference was the population and area served by the hospital. Around major population centres you wait. In smaller towns and cities you get through almost immediately. Unless you're a motorcycle racer at Belleville General, that is. They'll let you bleed and moan for a while.

On the other hand when I busted my collarbone while (walking) at the track I knew where to go, to get an appointment within 72 hours with one of the top 5 orthopods in the country. A two hour wait in the early morning, in a downtown Toronto ER, saved me weeks on a waiting list.

As to the topic of this discussion, we've paid for our subsidiary health insurance as a taxable benefit for decades. The difference is that ours costs orders of magnitude less, because basic care is already covered. I'm paying for things like a private or semi-private room, rather than a ward bed.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Actually there's more to it than that. Areas of high population density have longer waits to be seen and, because there is bureaucracy involved, those who are better at navigating such bureaucracy tend to get specialist appointments sooner.

I once arrived at an emergency room in an ambulance, after being hit by a car, and lay on a backboard for 4.5 hours before seeing a doctor. It was 2.5 hours before a nurse bothered to check if I even had a pulse. That was in Brampton.

On the other hand I got taken straight off the ambulance and into a ER, after getting hit by a motorcycle up around Caledon. They took me to the hospital in Orangeville (Debs's stomping grounds). I had X-rays done immediately and was out the door in two hours.

Jeez, I get hit by a lot of other drivers.

The difference was the population and area served by the hospital. Around major population centres you wait. In smaller towns and cities you get through almost immediately. Unless you're a motorcycle racer at Belleville General, that is. They'll let you bleed and moan for a while.

On the other hand when I busted my collarbone while (walking) at the track I knew where to go, to get an appointment within 72 hours with one of the top 5 orthopods in the country. A two hour wait in the early morning, in a downtown Toronto ER, saved me weeks on a waiting list.

As to the topic of this discussion, we've paid for our subsidiary health insurance as a taxable benefit for decades. The difference is that ours costs orders of magnitude less, because basic care is already covered. I'm paying for things like a private or semi-private room, rather than a ward bed.

That's no different than here in New York.
My wife is from Queens and she is still amazed about the difference in wait times.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

That's no different than here in New York.
My wife is from Queens and she is still amazed about the difference in wait times.

Wait times must be a big deal.

I see lots of billboards along the freeways with hospitals showing their current wait times.