'The Unemployed Will Not Be Considered'

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Rider

I can only speak intelligently about the industry I work in, Engineering which this article covers. Not many companies(outside of banking) with highly educated people have shut their doors. There have however been many companies to downsize. Most if not all companies base their layoffs on performance. While they may not admit it, they do, so most engineers that are out of work are out of work because they were in the bottom performing 20%.

Or because the project they were working on was terminated, and their skills were not necessarily transferable to another project?

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Or because the project they were working on was terminated, and their skills were not necessarily transferable to another project?

Rare instance. Engineering companies align processes and procedures. That's half the battle. A EE(Electrical Engineer) is a EE. Sure experience helps but if a EE is on a project that gets canceled, there is a very high likelihood that he will get picked up on another program within the company as long as he is a proven performer.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Rider

I can only speak intelligently about the industry I work in, Engineering which this article covers. Not many companies(outside of banking) with highly educated people have shut their doors. There have however been many companies to downsize. Most if not all companies base their layoffs on performance. While they may not admit it, they do, so most engineers that are out of work are out of work because they were in the bottom performing 20%.

Seriously...you are wrong. Companies specially do not do this in fear of being sued. Instead they lay off entire departments, some people of which, are highly qualified.

You can be replaced...trust me (with 3 or 4 Middle East Indians lol).

[Rider]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Seriously...you are wrong. Companies specially do not do this in fear of being sued. Instead they lay off entire departments, some people of which, are highly qualified.

You can be replaced...trust me (with 3 or 4 Middle East Indians lol).

Highly qualified but are making more money than an equally performing lower paid engineer. It's all about value. How much work can i get out an an individual for X dollars. Typically older engineers(non managers) are making a ton of money and have years of experience but are no more valuable than say an engineer with 5 years of experience making 20K less a year. In this economy you have to go with your best bang for the buck and highly qualified engineers may not get you that.

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by asphinctersayswhat

Highly qualified but are making more money than an equally performing lower paid engineer. It's all about value. How much work can i get out an an individual for X dollars. Typically older engineers(non managers) are making a ton of money and have years of experience but are no more valuable than say an engineer with 5 years of experience making 20K less a year. In this economy you have to go with your best bang for the buck and highly qualified engineers may not get you that.

just keep in mind that the older engineers can tell the young bucks why they shouldn't try that new fangled way of attaching the widget to the gadget. thereby saving you thousands of dollars in lost time when proto types go boom. our young guns smoke shit all the time here.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Are you SERIOUS??!!

I know tons of people who cant find a decent job because their company went under. Through no fault of their own they were left jobless and you really want to say something like that Rider?

Not to mention, with enough work experience you cant even get a job in fast food or a crappy admin job etc because you have "too much" experience.

Having had to go through the resumes of people who were barely qualified for "general labour" but who were applying for highly technical positions, I can understand why they would put that rider in. Smart people, who actually have the required skill-set, would likely still apply.

[Avatard]

Rider's on a [t]roll.

[Homeslice]

"It's our preference that they currently be employed," he said. "We typically go after people that are happy where they are and then tell them about the opportunities here. We do get a lot of applications blindly from people who are currently unemployed -- with the economy being what it is, we've had a lot of people contact us that don't have the skill sets we want, so we try to minimize the amount of time we spent on that and try to rifle-shoot the folks we're interested in."

Yeah that makes sense.



Why place ads at all, then?

If you're only going to consider candidates who you seek out yourself, then don't waste our time by placing an ad for the rest of us to respond to.

[Captain Morgan]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Yeah that makes sense.



Why place ads at all, then?

If you're only going to consider candidates who you seek out yourself, then don't waste our time by placing an ad for the rest of us to respond to.

No shit. If the people are happy where they are, then they aren't exactly going to be looking at job ads. That's what headhunters are for. Dumbasses.

[Particle Man]

I've seen any number of high performers out of the job because their companies couldn't afford to pay them dude. It's not all performance based.
Keep in mind that a lot of companies not only let people go, the companies themselves folded as well. How's that performance based?