Illegal Immigrants get cheaper in-state tuition

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

My guess is that some state representatives increased their voting block with this. That is all this is all about. The politicians (all sides) see an untapped resource. Millions of illegal residents who can't vote (unless in Chicago) and will vote for whomever promises them the most shit (at the cost of others of course).

How do they vote if they can't vote?

Originally Posted by Homeslice

That education sure worked wonders.

Haha she used "like" in like every other word in her sentence..

[goof2]

Originally Posted by dubbs

How do they vote if they can't vote?

Some believe that legal hispanics will generally vote for politicians who support measures that help illegal immigrants. It doesn't hurt that the possibility exists for amnesty legislation to pass either. If it did, at some point those who can't currently vote would be granted citizenship and the right to vote.

[karl_1052]

Funny how all the people who are not against this don't live in that state.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Funny how all the people who are not against this don't live in that state.

Im sure there are plenty of illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition at Florida colleges. Doesnt bother me.

[Homeslice]

"They have like no background in college education, so I was like on my own for everything," she said.

That education sure worked wonders.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Funny how all the people who are not against this don't live in that state.

I live in a state where illegal immigrants are a problem. Some pay taxes (taxpayer ID issued by consulate and are here on expired visas).

I see the issue of her getting an education and her status here in this country as two separate issues.

Her being here illegally = bad
Her getting an education = good
Her getting a discount as a resident of Texas = Good for Texas because having educated residents is a good thing for any state.

I am pretty confident in saying that those illegal immigrants that put in the work to pursue higher education are the same ones who also pursue legal status and contribute this society.

If they are putting in the effort to better themselves by going to college I'm willing to give them a shot at staying here vs sticking them in the penal system and shipping off to the shithole they came from...likely to repeat the same old cycle of sneaking in.

There are plenty of do nothing dumb ass citizens I'd love to deport.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Her getting a discount as a resident of Texas = Good for Texas because having educated residents is a good thing for any state.

This is where I have a problem. Because I was born in Canada, I got no breaks for school. My parents paid taxes(and so did I for 8 years before going into a post secondary education). When I applied for student loans, they refused me, because my parents made too much money(it did not matter that i was not even on speaking terms with them at the time).

Some yahoo from Ethiopia gets off a boat, gets a full medical exam, and and needed meds, gets a monthy cheque, is supplied a place to live and gets a free or discounted education.

I think it is great if they want to educate illegals willing to stay and contribute to society, but to give them a discount on the tax dollars of the populace is wrong.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

This is where I have a problem. Because I was born in Canada, I got no breaks for school. My parents paid taxes(and so did I for 8 years before going into a post secondary education). When I applied for student loans, they refused me, because my parents made too much money(it did not matter that i was not even on speaking terms with them at the time).

Some yahoo from Ethiopia gets off a boat, gets a full medical exam, and and needed meds, gets a monthy cheque, is supplied a place to live and gets a free or discounted education.

I think it is great if they want to educate illegals willing to stay and contribute to society, but to give them a discount on the tax dollars of the populace is wrong.

Your inabilty to get student loans or the mystery ethiopian has nothing to do with someone qualifying for in-state tuition.


Someone shows to school administration with proof of residency (bills or forms proving they have lived in the state for the mandatory amount of time)


though its popular to paint all illegal immigrants as 80 freeloaders living under one shack milking the system that does not appear to be the case. Having an "illegal" status does automatically mean you do not pay taxes. It simply means that you have not gone through the immigration process.
I'm sure if a census were to be done on illegals you will find a lot of individual taxpayer identification numbers. You kind of need things like drivers licenses, bank accounts, credit cards etc etc if you want to get around in this country and ITI give illegals that ability. The trade off is that they pay taxes just like everyone else if they work at a "real job" vs standing on the corner waiting for the landscaping truck to come by. Of course you are going to have the ghosts who exist nowhere and live in a shed but with the amount crossing the border I find it hard to believe that every single illegal operates outside of the norm.
That being said, those who do pay taxes do not get a free ride and pay a cost since they do not get all the benefits. Considering that colleges require things like medical records, tax payer IDs or social security #'s for all students I'm going to say that any illegal going to college has at least an INI number. In order to qualify for student loans, you need proof of income (tax records).
If they do not have those they need to pay cash out of pocket which means it does not effect you as the tax payer and her qualifying for in state tuition has nothing to do with you. If the student can prove that they are a resident, can provide all documentation required to go to the school then what does it have to do with you? What affect does it have on you whether they are there with a green card or are there illegally. If they are getting an education in the state chances are they are smart enough to know that being a legal resident is the way to go.

If you want state university systems to answer to the INS ten that's your opinion. If the state decides to put the burden on universities to handle immigration investigation then you will surely be paying a hell of lot more as universities are forced to pass on the cost of handling immigration policy to every student. I will say that will be a hell of lot more than the cost of some students attending school with questional status.

[Rangerscott]

I'm Texan. I'm white. I disapprove this.

[Homeslice]

It matters to me, because people who break the rules don't deserve the perks. Whether or not it affects me as a taxpayer is a separate issue.