Army ranger commits suicide to avoid 9th tour in Afghanistan - Page 3

Cutty72 · 09-03-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

yeah, sounds about right. what I dont get is why he didnt transfer to headquarters. everytime we had someone wig the fuck out they became a toc bitch in seconds

Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?

If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...
See warning on movie below...

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Originally Posted by Archren

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

derf · 09-03-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

Its sad that anyone would defend any amount of dishonesty coming from men in charge of sending boys to war. This whole thing makes me glad I was able to get out of joining the military after I signed. Fuck. That. Shit.

Not trying to defend anyone, I just think that it sounds more like the guy was screwed over more by peer pressure than by his leadership. As far as the enlist memory thing, he got screwed, he should have known better. I also think that he wasn't exactly honest with anybody, not friends, family, nor his leadership

101lifts2 · 09-04-2011, 11:48 PM

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It's time we quit policing the world and get out of these unConstitutional wars that only make a select few very rich.

America WAKE THE FUCK UP already and quit electing a leader who's only qualifying factor is looks.

RIP....and give this man a honorable memorial already....wtf.

Dave · 09-05-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?

If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...

nope. not that it matters in the least, nearly all army units are organized the exact same fucking way. this story has a ton of holes in it, it said he re-upped right? why didnt he change MOS? why didnt he as i said before volunteer to run radios in the toc?

Archren · 09-06-2011, 09:31 AM

It boils down to ignorance. I get the mentality in combat arms of "toughing it out", but there are some things that just can't be "toughed out." I do think he should have pursued psychological/psychiatric treatment outside of military channels if he needed help that bad - even if he had to pay for it out of pocket. But the article doesn't go into much detail over the amount of peer pressure he was under - he may have been threatened with dishonorable discharge. Most Soldiers have little to no detailed experience with the UCMJ, and as such don't know what can or cannot be done to them, and so they are cowed into compliance.

I'm facing some similar issues (with ignorance) at my school. It's gotten to the point of needing to form a veteran's comittee to help educate the instructors and staff - both in our specific financial aid needs, as well as PTSD. My instructor for history of photography showed the photo of a dying Marine that created a bunch of controversy in 2009 (? I think), without giving any sort of warning or disclaimer to the class. Two classmates (vets with PTSD) had to walk out (one of them had known the dead Marine).

Sad situation all around... and the Army's paltry excuse for "suicide awareness" training is more often than not treated as a "check the box training" than as a serious issue. Too many leaders have no clue what is going on in the lives of their Soldiers.

Tmall · 09-06-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

Just asking cause I don't remember, are you Ranger qualified?

If anyone wants to see a movie that shows the real shit that a Ranger unit deals with, look up Restrepo. Crazy...

Watched that movie because of this post. It was excellent.

Archren · 09-06-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Watched that movie because of this post. It was excellent.

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

Cutty72 · 09-06-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Archren

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

Good call, should have mentioned that earlier...

*off to edit post...

Dave · 09-06-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Archren

Just a word of caution for those who haven't seen it - not a movie recommended for anyone with moderate to severe PTSD. It's difficult to watch at times even without that. It is a very well done documentary, IMO, but I always have to throw that disclaimer out there for fellow veterans who haven't yet seen it.

I don't do war movies anymore period

Sixxxxer · 09-07-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I don't do war movies anymore period

More of a Documentary than a "movie"

It's actually pretty damn riveting...I'd hardly classify it as a Movie.

But I could see how vets and those currently serving would have an issue with it.

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09-06-2011, 09:31 AM	#25
Archren Sham WOW Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ATX Moto: 2007 Ducati 1098 Posts: 2,741	It boils down to ignorance. I get the mentality in combat arms of "toughing it out", but there are some things that just can't be "toughed out." I do think he should have pursued psychological/psychiatric treatment outside of military channels if he needed help that bad - even if he had to pay for it out of pocket. But the article doesn't go into much detail over the amount of peer pressure he was under - he may have been threatened with dishonorable discharge. Most Soldiers have little to no detailed experience with the UCMJ, and as such don't know what can or cannot be done to them, and so they are cowed into compliance. I'm facing some similar issues (with ignorance) at my school. It's gotten to the point of needing to form a veteran's comittee to help educate the instructors and staff - both in our specific financial aid needs, as well as PTSD. My instructor for history of photography showed the photo of a dying Marine that created a bunch of controversy in 2009 (? I think), without giving any sort of warning or disclaimer to the class. Two classmates (vets with PTSD) had to walk out (one of them had known the dead Marine). Sad situation all around... and the Army's paltry excuse for "suicide awareness" training is more often than not treated as a "check the box training" than as a serious issue. Too many leaders have no clue what is going on in the lives of their Soldiers. __________________ Photography "The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time. It was impossible." - Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss