Homeland Security wants its LEO's to run and hide from shooters

[fatbuckRTO]

Border Patrol union blasts Homeland Security instructions to 'run away' and 'hide' from gunmen


By Perry Chiaramonte

Published June 29, 2012

FoxNews.com



Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

The FEMA-administered computer course, entitled “IS-907- Active Shooter: What You Can Do,” is a 45-minute tutorial that provides guidance to all employees on how to recognize indicators of possible workplace violence and what to do should their office be invaded by gunmen and focuses around three main options; either evacuate, hide out, or in dire circumstances, take action.

Once the course is completed, employees are urged to download additional materials including a summary booklet and pocket-sized card outlining protocol, which was also handed out to employees two months ago.

One DHS employee told FoxNews.com the instruction cards were handed out to employees six weeks ago. At the time, he assumed they were only for civilian employees, not armed law enforcement officers within the department, which oversees the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"Requiring BP agents to follow the same steps is egregious,” he said.

DHS officials maintain that the Active Shooter course was designed for all employees—civilian and law-enforcement officers-- and no one should rush into a situation where they, or others around them, could get hurt.

“The Department of Homeland Security takes very seriously its responsibility to protect all of its employees from threats that may surface in the workplace,” U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Michael Friel said in a written statement to FoxNews.com

“CBP workforce training is designed to prepare all employees, including leaders, managers, supervisors, law enforcement personnel and non-law enforcement personnel, to understand their own roles and the roles of their fellow employees in responding to threats. In an active shooter scenario, employees are taught to take actions that keep them alive.”

But members of Local 2544 say they are obligated to protect the public in such a situation, whether they are on duty or not. Given the instructions, some wonder if they would be disciplined for taking down a gunman in a situation like the Fort Hood shooting or the January, 2011 case in Casa Adobes, in which a deranged gunmen shot 19 people, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Six people were killed.

“It is always comforting to know that for those of us who carry a weapon when we are off-duty, if we should encounter such a situation, stop a shooter and save countless lives, we can look forward to being disciplined or fired by the Border Patrol because we should have run away to hide and then maybe thrown objects at the deranged killer instead of taking action and stopping him with a firearm,” the union local's website says.




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[defector]

I can't go an hour without hearing a "now hiring" ad for the BP/Cistoms/HS on the radio. I wonder if this is related, or just strange timing.

[pauldun170]

Next up...Don Draper puts article in NYT that required sex harrasment course is "insulting".

Sounds like border patrol agents in Arizona need to stop being whiney bitches and just deal with the fact that everyone has to take the same required training.

Thats unless they want to personally foot the bill for specialized training course for every distinct job function.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Next up...Don Draper puts article in NYT that required sex harrasment course is "insulting".

Sounds like border patrol agents in Arizona need to stop being whiney bitches and just deal with the fact that everyone has to take the same required training.

Thats unless they want to personally foot the bill for specialized training course for every distinct job function.

Why should they foot the bill to make the DHS recognize that not all of their employees are working in cookie cutter desk jobs? The training apparently reflects DHS policy, according the DHS spokesman quoted. I think that raises a legitimate question as to whether or not a Border Patrol officer doing his job as an LEO will face repercutions because he wasn't following official DHS policy.

In an active shooter scenario, employees are taught to take actions that keep them alive.

That's according to the DHS spokesman. This kind of contradictory instruction creates more doubt and confusion in scenarios LEO's might face that already have enough inherent doubt and confusion. A government law enforcement officer might not always be in a position to protect his own life when civilian lives are in danger, at least not while fulfilling his function as an LEO.

The DoD has civilian employees everywhere, combat zones included. At no time did I as a serviceman ever take a course that taught me to run and hide if enemy combatants entered my TAO. The civilian employees, on the other hand, may well have had those instructions. Doesn't take much effort to differentiate the armed personnel with hazardous duties from the unarmed personnel with administrative jobs.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Why should they foot the bill to make the DHS recognize that not all of their employees are working in cookie cutter desk jobs? The training apparently reflects DHS policy, according the DHS spokesman quoted. I think that raises a legitimate question as to whether or not a Border Patrol officer doing his job as an LEO will face repercutions because he wasn't following official DHS policy.

That's according to the DHS spokesman. This kind of contradictory instruction creates more doubt and confusion in scenarios LEO's might face that already have enough inherent doubt and confusion. A government law enforcement officer might not always be in a position to protect his own life when civilian lives are in danger, at least not while fulfilling his function as an LEO.

The DoD has civilian employees everywhere, combat zones included. At no time did I as a serviceman ever take a course that taught me to run and hide if enemy combatants entered my TAO. The civilian employees, on the other hand, may well have had those instructions. Doesn't take much effort to differentiate the armed personnel with hazardous duties from the unarmed personnel with administrative jobs.

Its a generic workplace safety course.
Take it yourself
http://emilms.fema.gov/IS907/AS01summary.htm

If you have a desk in the office...you fucking take the training.
If you are Johnny law with a huge entitlement complex "I aint taking no pussy safety course thats for civies motherfucker!!!"

You get additional training and prep work.

Lets refer to the training itself

When Law Inforcement Arrives

The primary goal of law enforcement is to eliminate the threat and stop the active shooter as soon as possible.

If you are law enforcement already on site...such as an armed border patrol agent...guess fucking what?

You my dear fanny pack wearing bastard have ARRIVED!!

The primary goal of law enforcement is to eliminate the threat and stop the active shooter as soon as possible.

Fucking go terminator on the shooters ass.

When all those pussy desk jockeys come asking you for direction...you have fortunately taken the same course as they have so you can remind them of the key points.

[fatbuckRTO]

Same employee list. Some names have "G" next to them for "fanny pack wearing bastard carries a gun." The ones with no "G" need a "T" for "took the pussy safety course." The ones with no letter get a nastygram.

Done.

On to fixing healthcare... just one letter ought to handle that one...

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Same employee list. Some names have "G" next to them for "fanny pack wearing bastard carries a gun." The ones with no "G" need a "T" for "took the pussy safety course." The ones with no letter get a nastygram.

Done.

On to fixing healthcare... just one letter ought to handle that one...

Its fascinating that facebook payed a gajillion dollars for instagram but has yet to make an offer on nastygram.
they should go together like elmo and vagina

[derf]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Next up...Don Draper puts article in NYT that required sex harrasment course is "insulting".

Sounds like border patrol agents in Arizona need to stop being whiney bitches and just deal with the fact that everyone has to take the same required training.

Thats unless they want to personally foot the bill for specialized training course for every distinct job function.

That's exactly what this is, mandatory training for everybody across the board. It was designed for non police workers, but it its required for everyone. This is a total non Isadore

[Homeslice]

DHS was only created to allow Bush to act like he was doing something. Anything to redeem himself after being asleep at the wheel before 9/11, and ignoring repeated warnings about imminent domestic attacks.